Eastern Molehills and Retro Areas

Like I said it's not for everybody. I will say the customers and the owners are happy right now.

Are you likely to wait 30 minutes in line for the single chair? I didn't wait 30 minutes at Plattekill the entire season combined. And Mad is so much farther for me. Certainly no way to day trip it. So I'd get less days.

For me SKI3 and Plattekill is a perfect combo (with extra days at McCauley and Titus, no pass needed).

I ALWAYS have a good option even on the busiest days of the year.
 
Given the property lines, it doesn't look like Plattekill's map has changed much since 1986. @Harvey: IF Laszlo were to expand, where would it happen? Below the lower left hand corner?

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Given the property lines, it doesn't look like Plattekill's map has changed much since 1986. @Harvey: IF Laszlo were to expand, where would it happen? Below the lower left hand corner?

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There is a big piece of land that is technically "for sale" roughly where you describe it. I say technically because it is generally agreed the price is high. I think Laz would like it, and he may even own a lift, or parts of one he would install. Like most expansions it is at lower elevations. I'm sure Laz would love to advertise more vert. I think it would also reduce the risk of getting shot at in the "sidecountry."
 
However, if you were a MRG Co-op shareholder and bought in 1995 for $2000/share, you still have a share worth $2000. If you invested $2000 in the S&P 500 at the beginning of 1995, you would have about $30,800+ in 2023, assuming dividend reinvestment. You are definitely making a choice on what you value.
MRG Coop : $1500/share when they started the Coop if I remember correctly. That being said, people became shareholder not for making money, but purchase the ski area from the owner Betsy Pratt and try to preserve the classic New England ski area. These gems were all over the place, but slowly most of the them were stripped of their character. I'm pretty certain that if someone else would have bought the area, some trails would have been widen, snowmaking seriously expended and the single chair would be no more.
 
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MRG Coop : $1500/share when the started the Coop if I remember correctly.

You are right - $1500 initially. I assume the Co-op purchased MRG from Betsy Pratt for $2.5M when they sold their 1,667th share. One thing, you are on the hook for an annual spend of $200/year/share - not difficult if you are a loyalist. But it's not a one-and-done sign of support.

Some interesting stories concerning MRG and Betsy Pratt were shared in her obituaries at her passing in March 2023.

“Betsy Pratt, our previous owner and visionary behind the Co-op, passed away peacefully today, Friday, March 17th, 2023 at the age of 95. Surrounded by loved ones, Betsy spent her final days watching snow fall on the Single Chair webcam. We owe Betsy a great deal of gratitude for protecting and preserving our paradise. Thank you, Betsy. If you don’t know her story, we welcome you to it here.
Betsy Pratt, born March 12th, 1928, began skiing Mad River Glen while attending Vassar College. It was on one fateful ski trip in 1954 that she met Truxton Pratt, a New York banker. At the time Betsy worked as assistant treasurer of the Ford Foundation. Betsy and Truxton soon married and had four children Polly, Amanda, Liz, and Truxton. They all learned to ski at Mad River Glen and the family had a ski home in Fayston.
Betsy considered herself a steward of the mountain and dedicated herself to maintaining Roland’s vision. She always saw Mad River as a place that offered a challenging outdoor adventure in a pristine, natural setting. A place with an ethos that developed organically, and a firm foundation based on the idea that love for the sport outweighed financial considerations. She was always concerned about keeping Mad River in its natural state as much as possible.
In 1995, Les Otten, who’d just started building his resort empire with the American Skiing Company, made an offer to buy out Mad River Glen, which Pratt had presided over during the previous 20 years. As legend has it, when Otten approached her at the bar, Betsy took a drag off her big corncob pipe, blew the smoke in his face, and told him where he could stick the check. Then she sold it to skiers for half the price and financed it interest-free until she sold enough shares.
In December of 1995 the Mad River Glen Co-op bought Mad River Glen from Betsy Pratt."

Another interesting article from Outside Magazine:


People associated with the mountain say Betsy alienated practically everyone over the years, but even her harshest critics are grateful that she used family money to keep the resort going. Betsy claims that Les Otten, who owns the American Skiing Company, tried to buy Mad River in 1994 but that she refused to even hear the offer—a tale that nobody from Otten’s office in Newry, Maine, will confirm. She did, however, want to sell, and she said she wanted the owners to be the skiers themselves. (Who else would buy at the price she had in mind?) They formed a cooperative, and in December 1995 Betsy transferred ownership to the group for $2.5 million. The co-op needed to sell 1,667 shares at $1,500 each by June 1998 to bring off the deal, and it did. Well over half of the shareholders are from out of state; many of them had skied Mad River a few times, fallen in love with the place, and decided it was a cause eminently worth supporting.
The Mad River Glen co-op is one of the world’s few functioning socialist utopias. No one can own more than four shares or cast more than one vote. No significant change to the mountain can be made without a two-thirds majority, and it is widely recognized that two-thirds of the shareholders never would agree to so much as flatten a mogul. The co-op meets once a month, and it votes on everything—including whether to serve veggie burgers at the Base Box (it passed). The goal of the co-op is to keep Mad River as is, consistent with not going out of business. It is thus one of six resorts in the country that don’t permit snowboarding, a policy that’s intended to protect the scant snow cover but that also happens to reduce revenue by about 20 percent.

However, MRG's connection to Mt. Ellen came close to fruition. Even a liftline was cut from Mt. Ellen's Inverness area to almost the summit of General Stark at MRG. Pretty visible years later - upper right.

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Of course, the single chair at MRG would have likely needed to be upgraded if a connection went thorugh. Stowe lost its single chair - with blankets on cold days - back in the mid-1980s. Riding it was fun, but I am not sure anyone misses it.

hese gems were all over the place, but slowly most of the them were stripped of their character. I'm pretty certain that if someone else would have bought the area, some trails would have been widen, snowmaking seriously expended and the single chair would be no more.

Some are mostly intact but with minor modernizations to remain viable/competitive: Saddleback, Wildcat, Cannon, Magic, Smugglers, Jay, etc.
 
That Outside article is a bit dated, from 2000. Amusing quote:
....one of the resort conglomerates that have sprung up in the last five years. The American Skiing Company...
ASC bit the dust from overleveraging, while MRG carries on. Even though I've only been there once, I noticed that Glen Ellen looked closer to MRG than to the other half of Sugarbush. I got an afternoon tour of Mad River from Eric Friedman in March 2003. Last weekend I recalled my quote from that day:
I probably skied as many moguls today as I have during some whole seasons in the West.
Why last weekend? There were probably more people at Mammoth than I've ever seen there in July, and this was my 9th July there. With suncupping forcing skiers into defined lines, that may have been the most mogul skiing I have done at Mammoth. And the weather at Mad River in 2003 was not too different from last weekend either.
 
Some are mostly intact but with minor modernizations to remain viable/competitive: Saddleback, Wildcat, Cannon, Magic, Smugglers, Jay, etc.
Never been to Magic and my history with Saddleback consist of only one trip last season. Smuggs has been at risk numerous times. Replacing Madonna 1 with a high capacity lift was talked about, at one point there was talk of upgrading the Sterling lift with a 6-pack? Now there was talk of connecting Smuggs and Stowe with a gondola through Sterling. The upper Sterling was definitely massacred from what I remember from as a teen 40 years ago.
They were also something lost at Cannon and Jay, but no guarantees from a future aggressive blasting owner. Jay has an expansion plan (West Bowl? and lift connections) that would totally destroy a good chunk of terrain.
 
Molehills are 400' and below.
If that is the case, Tony should stop mentioning my ski season being very molehill oriented.
Total days on « molehills » in the last 42 seasons would be approximately 10 for over 2000+ ski days. Almost all of these when my kids were toddlers.
 
Molehills are 400' and below.
That's a NY-centric perspective. Sorry, I say under 1,000 is a molehill. To be technical, pitch of trails should enter into that definition too, but you have to see an area in person to make that call. I'm sure by that criterion there are several exceptions, but I'm guessing the vast majority of the under-1,000's are quite mellow in pitch too. Ontario is much more Midwest than Northeast in topography, and I'm quite confident that most well traveled skiers would say everything in the Midwest and Ontario are molehills with the exception of Bohemia. Lutsen is the largest Midwest area by acreage and its longest continuous vertical is 800 at a 5-1 length to vertical ratio. This is a notch down in challenge from Big Bear or the Catskills.
 
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Vail Resorts owns some of the best molehills/feeder areas.

In fact I visited my first Midwest ski area this week (July 2023): Vail’s Boston Mills and Brandywine. All 240 vertical ft.

The reason for my ski area visit was accidental. I explored Cuyahoga National Park OH after a Cleveland work trip.

Like Jackson Hole, these Ohio areas are located almost within a National Park - lol.

The molehills - very tiny.
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I'm surprised that Harv didn't cross-post anything from the lake effect upstate.

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