American Election 2024

Sbooker said:
What the hell is going on over there?
Don is even more of a certainty now.
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You're probably right that it will boost Trump's standing. But everybody loses with this kind of violence. It's anti-freedom and anti-democracy. I'm afraid the USA is notorious for this kind of gun violence and mass shootings. I'm conservative, but for the record I favor much stronger gun control laws than what we currently have in place.
 
jimk said:
You're probably right that it will boost Trump's standing. But everybody loses with this kind of violence. It's anti-freedom and anti-democracy.
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Not sure there is a boost in Trump's standing. The vindicative rhetoric used that Trump is raising the temperature and some people might want to see him as a main contributor to an even worsening political climate. It's a very slippery slope between normal political criticism and violence. See the mob that wanted to hang Pence or Pelosi on January 6th. Trump has been adding oil on the fire with his lies, calling the election rigged, etc etc.
 
Patrick said:
Not sure there is a boost in Trump's standing. The vindicative rhetoric used that Trump is raising the temperature and some people might want to see him as a main contributor to an even worsening political climate. It's a very slippery slope between normal political criticism and violence. See the mob that wanted to hang Pence or Pelosi on January 6th. Trump has been adding oil on the fire with his lies, calling the election rigged, etc etc.
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Fair enough.
By boosting his standing I meant increasing his chances of winning the election, partly out of sympathy for a survivor.
 
The only significance to a GOP VP pick would be...

[crickets]



I'm a put at the top of the list, that it'll slightly aid GOTV (get out the vote) in Ohio, which is a positive for whoever's running against Senator Sherrod Brown.

Whimsically, wassup with vaNCE and peNCE alikeness, and their home states' alikeness (not that they have that borderline...that they tie for last when Americans are asked about fun vacation spots).
 
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Wild 8 days in American politics. Biden stepping aside. Looks like it will be Harris vs. Trump.
I was age 14 when LBJ decided not to run for re-election in 1968. It was a shock, but turns out he knew what he was doing. He struggled with heart disease for the rest of his life and passed away four years later.
 
I don't think health was the primary consideration for LBJ in 1968.

Posted by former admin on FB two days ago:
There are reputable reports attributable to someone who would know, that Biden will pull the plug no later than Sunday and Democrats will have an open convention with Harris vying against several other candidates. He also won't resign his current term. #DemocratShitShow
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However, Biden explicitly endorsed Harris. She's not the strongest candidate, but the consequence of Biden waiting this long to bail out.
 
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Tony Crocker said:
I don't think health was the primary consideration for LBJ in 1968.

Posted by former admin on FB two days ago:

However, Biden explicitly endorsed Harris. She's not the strongest candidate, but the consequence of Biden waiting this long to bail out.
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Does this change much if anything? The Trump fans will still vote for Trump. The ‘anyone but Trump’ people will vote for whoever the Dem candidate is.

It’ll still come down to the handful of swinging voters in a few key states I guess.
 
Assume Harris will simply choose Governor Josh Shapiro from Pennsylvania. His approval rating is sky-high, and the ticket can lock down Pensylvania and focus even more laser-like on Michigan and Wisconsin.

A Quinnipiac University poll in January found Shapiro with a 59% approval rating, well ahead of the 40% approval rating Biden had in the same poll. And in a 2022 Muhlenberg poll of a hypothetical presidential election between Shapiro and Trump, the governor led by 11% among Pennsylvania voters.
 
I’ve got to hand it to Trump. He certainly gets people politically engaged. It’s only been since 2016 that American politics has become mainstream household conversation in Australia.
I’m wondering if this election will see a record amount of voters turn out? Or have a portion disengaged since 2020?
 
Sbooker said:
I’m wondering if this election will see a record amount of voters turn out? Or have a portion disengaged since 2020?
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Turnout in the US 2020 was 67% which was the highest since 1900. Turnout had been between 52-62% since 1972. Midterm elections are in the 40s %.
 
Patrick said:
Turnout in the US 2020 was 67% which was the highest since 1900. Turnout had been between 52-62% since 1972. Midterm elections are in the 40s %.
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I would be surprised if 2024 turnout is as high as in 2020. There's not a lot of enthusiasm for Harris either.
 
Patrick said:
I don’t know, some people might realize that one of the candidates is a narcissist criminal psychopath and threatening to take the US in uncharted waters. Looking at the abortion debate, Supreme Court decisions, etc.
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:beating-a-dead-horse: Sadly, that is not new information, and as you admitted July 13. Trump's polls may be raised as much by the assassination attempt as they are lowered by Biden dropping out. Harris was not polling any better than Biden and it remains to be seen whether she can change that. But it was obvious that in his current state Biden had minimal chance to raise his numbers.

I do not buy the narrative that Biden has been this way his whole term. I believe there's been a decline over the past year or so and the Democratic establishment covered it up. Only after the debate did we hear from George Clooney about a similar performance at an L.A. fundraiser, scripted cabinet meetings, etc.

Near the end of his term, the President endorses his VP.

Sure beats "Near the end of his term, the President endorsed hanging his VP"...
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Great campaign slogan!:rotfl:
 
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Tony Crocker said:
:beating-a-dead-horse: Sadly, that is not new information,
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Talking of decline of Biden, Trump has been more unhinged now that he was 4 years ago.
Assassination attempt is one more kid (he’s 20) that had access to guns. Another Chapman or Hickley looking seeking attention.
The majority of the electorate hasn’t really been paying that much attention to politics now, generally people get more engaged once the summer is done.
 
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