Deer Valley, UT 3/15/2015

Marc_C":lfwcbi1b said:
Settle down Francis.

I'll have you know my name is Bob. ;) I know James as well, as a matter of fact he was the first skier I ever met "from the Internet." i actually talked to him while he was in the hospital after breaking his femur his first Utah trip (while skiing on a lift ticket I had given him), I then hung out with him in the Snowbasin clinic after breaking another bone while staying with us the following year.

I'm also talking in the psuedo après ski bar when I point out that your ratio of skiing versus talking about skiing isnt in the higher mathematical spheres. Come prove me wrong, I'll be at the bypass around 9:00 tomorrow morning. I'll have a red bull and donut for you. ;)
 
BobMc":1tlcjpg0 said:
I'm also talking in the psuedo après ski bar when I point out that your ratio of skiing versus talking about skiing isnt in the higher mathematical spheres. Come prove me wrong, I'll be at the bypass around 9:00 tomorrow morning. I'll have a red bull and donut for you. ;)
You know how many days I ski? Did I ski today? If so, what is my season day count so far? Wait. Are you stalking me?
I've never seen you or seen you ski, so obviously you don't ski either. You probably don't even exist.
We're going to the Swell tomorrow. You can tell the forum exactly where we were tomorrow evening.
PS: red bull is how I imagine donkey piss tastes.
 
I skied today, my 40th of the season. I have no interest of stalking you. I do have an interest in the Swell, as well as most of Southern Utah. I can bring up orange juice if the Red Bull offends you, the donut offer still stands.

This morning I could've offered you hash browns and sausages.

But, you would've had to have been there... ;)
 
Marc_C":m5q960jp said:
BobMc":m5q960jp said:
I'm also talking in the psuedo après ski bar when I point out that your ratio of skiing versus talking about skiing isnt in the higher mathematical spheres. Come prove me wrong, I'll be at the bypass around 9:00 tomorrow morning. I'll have a red bull and donut for you. ;)
You know how many days I ski? Did I ski today? If so, what is my season day count so far? Wait. Are you stalking me?
I've never seen you or seen you ski, so obviously you don't ski either. You probably don't even exist.
We're going to the Swell tomorrow. You can tell the forum exactly where we were tomorrow evening.
PS: red bull is how I imagine donkey piss tastes.

And stay off my lawn you pesky kids!


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I don't exist either so nobody should be concerned.

Day 8 here at Discovery MT. Lean snow to say the least but a lot of fun nonetheless. Limelight lift has been incredibly good all things considered including last Sunday's top to bottom all day rain event. There is always scotch in a box, what more can I ask for.
 
q,glad your having fun.
41°in town with light rain. Lowering snow levels tonight might give us a plowder Tuesday.
We can hope.
 
This is what you guys get for sticking pins in East Coast dolls. :wink: Astounding that this pattern still hasn't broken down.

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BobMc":368cvnpc said:
I skied today, my 40th of the season. I have no interest of stalking you. I do have an interest in the Swell, as well as most of Southern Utah. I can bring up orange juice if the Red Bull offends you, the donut offer still stands.

This morning I could've offered you hash browns and sausages.

But, you would've had to have been there... ;)

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Marc_C":224h3b5d said:

Pancake bunny FTW!

Back on topic, had a HUGE day in the Slides at Whiteface on Saturday. Skied with Aaron the GM for part of the day. In response to popular demand they are going to begin seeding bumps in the Slides.
 
Harvey44":1txhsmx2 said:
In response to popular demand they are going to begin seeding bumps in the Slides.

Which brings us right back around to what started this whole brouhaha in the first place:

Admin":1txhsmx2 said:
You Easterners seem to like bumps for some strange reason, so here's Empire Bowl and Conviction. Y'all can have your own little bump festival.

If seeding bumps at a major eastern ski area is "In response to popular demand," how was what I wrote a) inaccurate, or b) offensive to eastern skiers?
 
Admin":zzz8cpgs said:
If seeding bumps at a major eastern ski area is "In response to popular demand," how was what I wrote a) inaccurate, or b) offensive to eastern skiers?
Not inaccurate but you're overlooking that a significant percentage of us feel the same way about bumps as you. What's amusing is how the EC is still a constant, ever-present preoccupation/bête noire with you guys, no matter how tenuous the connection with whatever you're currently discussing.

Now, back to those seeded bumps on the Slides! \:D/
 
I suddenly feel inspired to make an (almost) all-quote-and-emoticon posting:

Harvey44":2t41vg1z said:
In response to popular demand they are going to begin seeding bumps in the Slides.

:?:

From the NYSB Slide Guide:
The Slides are a series of steep, narrow chutes through a largely unmaintained portion of the mountain that send skiers over frozen waterfalls, off rock ledges and through powder-filled tree lined gullies.

The Slides are 35 acres of in-bounds, off-piste, double black-diamond skiing accessible with a short but strenuous hike from the top of the Summit Quad.
http://nyskiblog.com/whiteface-slides/

:-k

Admin":2t41vg1z said:
If seeding bumps at a major eastern ski area is "In response to popular demand," . . .

:lol:

jamesdeluxe":2t41vg1z said:
Now, back to those seeded bumps on the Slides! \:D/

:rotfl:
 
jamesdeluxe":343x7foa said:
Admin":343x7foa said:
If seeding bumps at a major eastern ski area is "In response to popular demand," how was what I wrote a) inaccurate, or b) offensive to eastern skiers?
Not inaccurate but you're overlooking that a significant percentage of us feel the same way about bumps as you.

The simple fact is that a significant percentage of easterners get a woody over bumps (based on both my personal observations and "popular demand") while almost no one out here gives a rat's hiney about them. It's about relative percentages, not what percentage of easterners abhor them. And certain easterners got their panties in a wad over that simple truism.

jamesdeluxe":343x7foa said:
Now, back to those seeded bumps on the Slides! \:D/

IMO, taking what is a unique natural feature back there and making it decidedly unnatural is just about one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard of.
 
I'm with admin 100% on this one. The Slides are fairly unique, western big-mountain style terrain within boundaries of an eastern ski area, and open once in a blue moon. Why anyone would want to deliberately accelerate mogul development in that terrain is beyond me.

I also agree with admin's generalization. I'll poke around, find a nice line of smooth snow in the steeps, and inevitably the easterners like Liz or Ed Meisner will gravitate to the nearby mogul field instead.
 
Admin":3stp2co0 said:
IMO, taking what is a unique natural feature back there and making it decidedly unnatural is just about one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard of.

Obviously I agree with this.

Guys it was a joke. I was just riffing on Admin's theory for a laugh.

I never thought for a minute anyone would take me seriously! Apologies.
 
James sent me an email about this thread and asked me to provide some input. As a Northern Vermont local, let me tell you that I haven’t encountered a single person discussing 2014-2015 as a contender for “best NE ski season in the last decade to go to northern VT”. As usual there’s probably a lot of selective memory at work in the general population forgetting seasons like 2007-2008, 2008-2009, and 2010-2011. The fact that much of the country has been having such a poor ski season, combined with the way parts of Southern New England have had a literally historic, all-time, record-breaking season of snowfall and sustained cold weather, presumably has people thinking that it was like that all over the Northeast. Well, let me be the first to tell you that’s not the case. Harvey even got to one of the actual issues with his comment about the snowfall at Gore, but it seems to have been overlooked in the rest of the nonsense. Look at the current season snow totals for Bolton, Stowe, and Smugg’s. It’s the end of March - they’re going to need 100+ inches in the next two to three weeks to get to any sort of numbers worthy of note. And, even if that were to happen, that’s never going to change having languished through months with below average snowfall.

Let’s see some of the various issues keeping this season from being one for the ages:
•Conditions over the holiday week were terrible; we didn’t ski once between December 23rd and January 4th.
•Season snowfall here at our location, which generally tracks very well with the mountains, is currently less than 90% of average.
•December snowfall was well (40%) below average.
•January snowfall was below average.
•February was the only midwinter month to even reach average snowfall.
•March snowfall is running below average.
•Total season snowfall to date is now behind the 2012-2013 and 2013-2014 seasons, both of which ended up below average.
•We haven’t had any three or four-foot storm cycles, and maybe one? two-foot storm cycle this entire season.
•January and February temperatures were well below average, and snow preservation aside, that’s not good. You don’t need below average temperatures in the mountains of Northern Vermont in midwinter for good snow. If you’re going to be outside in January around here, you don’t want below average temperatures. I probably spent more days in the backcountry this season than any in recent memory, simply due to how many times it was just too cold to ride the lifts.

The only thing this season really had going for it was the snow preservation, and despite everyone touting how great it was, the increase was far more marginal than people make it out to be. It’s pretty common to go four to six weeks around here in midwinter without any notable thaw anyway, so to go for eight weeks or so simply means that roughly one typical occurrence was skipped. With average, or especially above average snowfall around here, those surfaces hardened by a thaw are forgotten within a week anyway. I get it that for people rolling the dice and skiing a specific weekend, or simply skiing on piste every weekend regardless of the conditions, some surfaces were probably better than average – but was that tradeoff worth the lack of fresh snow and all the bitter cold? Manmade snow and skier traffic degrade the on piste snow quality substantially, regardless of thaws, so like the snow preservation, the overall increase in the quality of snow surfaces around here was again pretty marginal. Essentially what we got this year was something like a Quebec or Front Range climate, colder/drier with better snow preservation, but less snow than is typical for Northern Vermont. I suspect there will be more “A” values than average for Northern Vermont on Tony’s chart snow quality chart for this season, but with % open terrain and packed powder playing heavily into the scheme there, that would make sense – that subset of the ski experience was indeed better than average.

If anything, this was the season to not ski Northern Vermont – don’t come up here to ski below average snowfall and frigid temperatures when places farther south are getting 200% of their average annual snowfall and almost unprecedented snow preservation that they might get once in a blue moon. The season has basically been pretty vanilla up here. Yes, there’s been great skiing around here this season, but people seem to easily forget that it’s like that most seasons. So, don’t worry if you missed this “season of the decade” up here, just come up next season and you’ve probably got a 50/50 shot of getting something just as great.
 
JSpin":3to60ja8 said:
It’s pretty common to go four to six weeks around here in midwinter without any notable thaw anyway, so to go for eight weeks or so simply means that roughly one typical occurrence was skipped.
The Mansfield Stake averages 2.5 days of rain between Jan. 1 and Feb. 28. December averages a bit under 2 days of rain and march a bit over 2 days of rain. So zero days of rain in 9 weeks is certainly newsworthy if not unprecedented. About 2/3 of seasons will contain a calendar month with no rain at the Mansfield Stake, but 2000-01 was the last time there were 2 calendar months with no rain. But I would agree that while a sustained stretch with no rain/thaw in northern Vermont is unusual, its a true outlier event for southern new England.

JSpin":3to60ja8 said:
forgetting seasons like ....... 2010-2011
I recall certain easterners (not JSpin) vociferously arguing against my declaring 2010-11 "the highest snowfall season of our lifetimes" because the Northeast wasn't that good. So it's interesting to note that JSpin considers it better than this year.

Yes there will be a long string of "A" weekends in that chart for 2014-15. But I assume they would not include the past 2 weekends. For the areas that report in-season the Northeast was 97% of normal as of March 15. So odds are it will fall short of the 102% of 2010-11. And I certainly would never claim it's anywhere close to the quality of 2000-01 or 2007-08.

The 7 western regions were collectively at 67% as of March 15. That is on pace to match 1980-81 and exceed only the 58% outlier year of 1976-77.
 
Harvey44":3rtypla1 said:
Guys it was a joke. I was just riffing on Admin's theory for a laugh.

I never thought for a minute anyone would take me seriously! Apologies.

Harvey, you are way too nice. I've never had the pleasure of skiing the slides, but I found the whole idea of a supposed plan to snowcat seed bumps on hike-to-only, avalanche runs with significant frozen waterfalls to be pretty funny. Hence, the :rotfl: I posted above.

I sort of get why Alta skiers might make the occasional jab at Eastern bump aficianados. On the other hand, I know a huge part of the reason I'm comfortable off piste in Alta-like terrain is because I generally chose bumps (and trees) over corduroy while growing up skiing the east in the 70s and 80s.
 
jamesdeluxe":1owvpwtx said:
Tony and Marc C -- feel free to craft an extensive apology for all the bollox you posted earlier.
Don't hold your breath.

BTW, how do bump skiers' knees hold up after years of skiing the bumps? Seems like it would takes its toll...
 
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