Whiteface Slides 4/3/08

Sharon

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Wow, what a day! Bluebird skies, blazing sunshine, 3400 vertical feet of high speed cruising in the morning, a little glade skiing, soft bumps on Mckenzie and open Slides from 1-2pm!! Skiing with Acid Christ and doing the slides for the first time....priceless.

We hit it just right. We spent the morning cruising, looking for soft snow on piste and in the woods, waiting for the summit to soften in the sun a bit before heading up there around noonish. Took a few screaming runs on Skyward before the gates were open.

Skiing across Slide 1 was the scariest. It is a blue-ice glazed-over waterfall that is absolutely unskiable. This waterfall was no ordinary waterfall. It was at least 150 yards of steep unskiable ice about 30 or so yards wide. It was huge. (pix coming later). We traversed over the top of this on a barely breakable suncrust. The sketch factor was high.

We skied the area between the waterfall and slide 2 in stunted trees first. The snow in between was softening up into a nice cornlike substance, though we encountered every known form of snow surfaces. We had to pick our way through a few tight spots. There was a lot of decision-making required to find the most skiable routes. It was very challenging and rewarding.

The next run we skied Slide 4. Getting there was also sketchy, traversing the icefall again and a few other places where there was blue ice. But once on that sun-drenched slide we found some soft corn. Also a few tight spots. This slide eventually gets choked into a narrow gully where tight turns were required. The small waterfall in the narrow section was skiable.

It was after 2pm when we got out of slide 4 and the slides were closed for the day. We celebrated the loss of our slide virginity with Heinekins on the deck of the mid-mtn lodge in Adirondack chairs, baking in the sun. But we weren't done yet.

We did a couple more runs on Skyward. We got on one of the last chairs of the Mtn Run Lift. Our last run was on MacKenzie. The upper part of this trail was the scariest thing we had done all day. It was very hard unedgeable ice with a double fall-line. We skied this with extreme caution. Serious survival skiing. We were relieved to get to the huge soft bumps on lower MacKenzie. They skied just super.

The lower mountain was very soft corn. Acid Christ got a face shot of corn during our last descent to the base.

Capped off the day with brews on the Cloudspin Lounge deck with the beautiful people of Lake Placid until the sun dipped behind the mountain.

Powder Day tomorrow?
 
I ventured onto upper Makenzie the last time I was there...damn!!! that drop in the middle was ...sporty. I would have thought the slides would have been scarier, they sound it.
 
Thanks for the report Sharon.

I should heading that way today with Morgane. I'm just a bit concern about the weather. That's what I'm going to check now. I have a 2-for-1 to share, hopefully I find someone.

PS. Tony, no I won't be skiing the Slides. I'll be alone with Morgane and you've read Sharon's description of her descente. That is why I don't think my daughter is ready (she could probably be fine, but consequences if she screws up are too great.
 
Sharon":14jom8g0 said:
We celebrated the loss of our slide virginity with Heinekins on the deck of the mid-mtn lodge in Adirondack chairs, baking in the sun. But we weren't done yet.

Damn it, I want to lose my slide virginity, I just can never ever freakin get over to NY. My car magically steers itself to stowe or pinkham, and no where else.
 
Since Gore has gone to weekends only, I've been thinking about Whiteface too. (Gore pass is good at WF). One motivation would be to see and ski the slides. I have to admit, Sharon's post gives me pause. I've never skied with Sharon, but I get the impression she's got some serious chops. Not so sure a teleboy should be skiing that waterfall.

Can't wait to see the pics.
 
Harvey44":48hr2pf9 said:
I have to admit, Sharon's post gives me pause. I've never skied with Sharon, but I get the impression she's got some serious chops.

No kidding, Sharon's posts are all high octane and reading about "sketchy" and taking time to pick through is food for thought.
 
I've stared at those slides, seen the runout, seen up close pictures, and would be pretty hesitant to try them. The chance of a fatal plunge is ever present. Super steep ice and trees do not mix well with me. And you had better be with someone who knows the area very well. A wrong turn can go very wrong in there.
 
PS. Tony, no I won't be skiing the Slides.
Morgane is 10 years old. Surely she can ski somewhere (or with friends you meet there) and stay out of trouble while you take one lap. I've read enough to agree that an exploratory lap would be mandatory (for both navigation and assessment of conditions) before taking a less expert skier through something like that. I do suspect if you hit an ideal corn cycle with optimal softening that Morgane might be capable. But from what I know about eastern weather you would have to be very lucky to get that.
 
I think Sharon lives her life to the fullest. She is pretty core - and takes trips to Red Mt from Central NY. What's not to like?

I had to send this report to my Whiteface based friends to motivate them to go check out 'The Slides'....since they seem to be pretend they never open.
 
The slides on the right side of the photo. it ain't great but it's something
 

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Tony Crocker":1knoril3 said:
PS. Tony, no I won't be skiing the Slides.
Morgane is 10 years old. Surely she can ski somewhere (or with friends you meet there) and stay out of trouble while you take one lap.

That's what I did last year, I was able to get 2 runs in the Slides out our group 4 runs. Morgane took turns with Lucky's friend once and SuperNat the other. I was solo with her on Friday and had no friend. Had I known that Sharon was there, maybe she would have agreed to babysit. ;) But that beside the point, the Slides were closed on Friday for good reason.

Vertical of the summit quad is over 1800' down the Olympic Downhill. I wouldn't want her to ski it alone although she capable. There is also the possibility that she could miss the base of the Summit Quad and skiing further down. Last year, it took her also less time to reach the chair than does skiing the Slides.

I do suspect if you hit an ideal corn cycle with optimal softening that Morgane might be capable. But from what I know about eastern weather you would have to be very lucky to get that.

LIke I mentioned, she has the skill to make it, however a fall could be serious and the risk to great for her. Regardless of the conditions, it's the negotiating the waterfalls/cliffs that are the hard part. Believe me, you don't want to tumble.
 
Interesting reading the reports. Too bad Patrick wasn't there Saturday (or the predicted warmer Sunday?). I've been making assumptions about Morgane's ski ability based upon observations of Patrick plus Adam's learning curve at similar ages. But with sketchy/extreme terrain one of the first rules is to work up to it gradually. You can see that's what Extremely Canadian does in their clinics and at La Grave. So it's possible that the Slides are far beyond anything Morgane has skied before. Thus my occasional lobbying to get her more experience. :wink:
 
Tony Crocker":n2vsfoa1 said:
Too bad Patrick wasn't there Saturday (or the predicted warmer Sunday?).
Wouldn't have changed much, I still couldn't have skied the Slides. We enjoyed wet powder on frozen granular on Friday and some other fun softer stuff at MRG on Saturday.

Regarding the Slides, I was aiming to ski Paradise with Morgane on Saturday, but it was closed. There is also a danger to bring some people in terrain with some exposure danger. Not that it's a "no fall" zone, but more like "you better not tumble" zone. I would almost be tempted to say that the Bowl at Tuck has less exposure issues than The Slides. Consequences of a tumble in the Slides could be more tragic than the Bowl.
 
here are a few pix from 4/3 of the slides...more to come
 

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This is Acid Christ shredding up Slide 2, our first slide run of the day.
 

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This is the waterfall on slide 1. It is a few hundred feet tall and maybe a hundred or more feet wide. It is pretty huge. On Thursday they did not allow us to ski it. It would have been deadly (as seen in this pic). But Saturday it softened sufficiently to be skiable. We skied it a few times today. There are a number of lines though it and all kinds of air opportunities for those who like to fly.

The skies were so blue it was almost like being out west.

I have to say that the skiing at Whiteface this past weekend was much more challenging than anything I skied in Utah. It felt really good to ski it well.
 

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This was one of the sketchy parts of the traverse to Slide 4. It got much worse as it sat in the sun.
 

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I have ice climbed many ice flows in the ADK's. What appears to be a frozen waterfall , is really just seepage . Water is constantly seeping out of cracks in the rock. Hydrolic (sp) pressure, these ice flows are all over the dacks.
 
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