American Election 2024
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There is a point where being too high profile makes you an inviting target for prosecution, can apply to celebrities as well as politicians.
I'm sympathetic to jimk's view. I think Trump should have been prosecuted for trying to overthrow the 2020 election, but only because the Senate didn't do its job in 2021.
I'm sympathetic to jimk's view. I think Trump should have been prosecuted for trying to overthrow the 2020 election, but only because the Senate didn't do its job in 2021.
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tseeb
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Will Mammoth (and Tahoe) suffer from Trump being elected? Could be behind paywall if you've looked at LA Times lately without subscribing.
"If all the service workers born in Mexico stayed home from their jobs for just one day in this thriving resort town perched high in California’s Sierra Nevada, the humming tourist economy would probably faceplant harder than a first-time skier on an icy expert slope.
Most of the restaurants would have no staff, residents say. Hotels and Airbnbs would suffer the same fate. Construction projects across this posh skiing destination would come to a grinding halt."
"If all the service workers born in Mexico stayed home from their jobs for just one day in this thriving resort town perched high in California’s Sierra Nevada, the humming tourist economy would probably faceplant harder than a first-time skier on an icy expert slope.
Most of the restaurants would have no staff, residents say. Hotels and Airbnbs would suffer the same fate. Construction projects across this posh skiing destination would come to a grinding halt."
Point taken but I don't think Mammoth and Tahoe fall into this category. Mammoth has always felt pretty organic to me. And South Lake Tahoe feels anything but posh.
EMSC
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I don't think the labor pool for ski town hotels, restaurants, construction varies that much by whether resorts are considered "posh." And I suspect that labor pool is not that much different in Utah and Colorado than from Mammoth/Tahoe.
Recall that a lot of the seasonal ski area employees are foreigners on temporary visas. This was a big issue during the pandemic season of 2020-21.
Recall that a lot of the seasonal ski area employees are foreigners on temporary visas. This was a big issue during the pandemic season of 2020-21.
ChrisC
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I finally spoke with my friend Rufus Gifford (major Obama/Biden fundraiser)...dad exCEO BofA.
Kamala Harris was never ahead in their internal polls, but close (0-1.5 pts). Always behind. Even after a September debate about eating dogs and cats. Still Behind. National media polls were A LOT more positive.
The plan was to stay close and have either:
Me - you remember Carter? Inflation slays incumbents.
I don't think they had a plan to separate Kamala from Biden....
And the loss was just 1.5 points when so many in Mega Blue States gave up. There was a win there - someone really smart could have put this together.
I really, really blame Biden for not passing the torch earlier. It was time for Gov-Shapiro PA & Whitmer-MI just to win it all!
Kamala Harris was never ahead in their internal polls, but close (0-1.5 pts). Always behind. Even after a September debate about eating dogs and cats. Still Behind. National media polls were A LOT more positive.
The plan was to stay close and have either:
- Undecideds break heavily to Dems
- Big turnouts among core Democratic groups
Me - you remember Carter? Inflation slays incumbents.
I don't think they had a plan to separate Kamala from Biden....
And the loss was just 1.5 points when so many in Mega Blue States gave up. There was a win there - someone really smart could have put this together.
I really, really blame Biden for not passing the torch earlier. It was time for Gov-Shapiro PA & Whitmer-MI just to win it all!
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Multiple reasons, but I agree that was #1.
+1 I try to bring historical perspective. History of US inflation here. Political views are rampant with recency bias. The 1970's inflation was a different animal, persisted for many years and became embedded in people's expectations. It took draconian interest rates in the upper teens and a recession with double digit unemployment to kill it. Other inflation spikes at the end of both World Wars were short lived, and it always seemed reasonable to me that the COVID/supply chain inflation this time would be similar. As with a lot of economic events, this was not the fault of a president, either Trump or Biden.
But how many voters today remember Carter and the 1970's? And for many who should, there's the recency bias issue. For lots of people the 2021-23 inflation was a new and unpleasant experience and they were plenty pissed about it.
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jimk
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Resurrecting this post from the past for it's prescient concern. What is happening now with the Federal employees deferred resignation offer is nuts, reckless, and possibly illegal. Standard procedure for DJT
Disruption "R" Us.I'm waiting to see if the offer is rescinded or greatly reduced in scope by the deadline of Feb 6.
OPM issued a clarifying memo that read like an email from a Nigerian Prince/scam artist
See this excerpt from FedSmith.com:
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OPM has clarified and probably eliminated much of the confusion with an updated version of its frequently asked questions. These are some of the FAQs as of January 31, 2025:
tseeb
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And you and who else voted for him? How many other things has Trump tried to do (or has done) that are f---ing nuts or illegal? When he took office 8 years ago, those that didn't support him hoped that he would grow into the most important job in our world, but it did not go that way. And now it seems like he is spending most of his time on retribution instead of making America better.Resurrecting this post from the past for it's prescient concern. What is happening now with the Federal employees deferred resignation offer is nuts, reckless, and possibly illegal. Standard procedure for DJT
And there is this "Senior U.S. official exits after rift with Musk allies over payment system": https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/com...h-musk-allies-over-payment-system/ar-AA1ybfJj
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I presume JimK did not take this concern seriously when he decided how to vote. Would he vote differently now?I’m not being snarky here. I summarized Bret Stephens’ long list of reasons why people were voting for Trump. And the Democrats had better take those reasons seriously if they don’t want to suffer similar results in the future.
But I was surprised about JimK considering he was a career civil servant.
Final results of tipping point and Electoral College bias:
Trump won the popular vote by 1.47%
Trump won Pennsylvania, the tipping point state, by 1.70%
Therefore for PA to be break even/tip the other way, the Democrats would have needed to win the popular vote by 0.23%.
An Electoral College bias of 0.23% is not a big deal, and consistent with most presidential elections.
Why did the Electoral College bias shrink from its alarming level of 3.82% in 2020?
The national vote was 5.92% more Republican, but the biggest states all moved more than that without changing who won them.
California became less Democratic by a margin of 9.02%
Florida became more Republican by a margin of 9.70%
New York became less Democratic by a margin of 10.57%
Texas became more Republican by a margin of 8.08%
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jasoncapecod
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first here is the email my daughters friend received...
The comments Rump made in regards to the collision was insane...To say DEI had something to do with is beyond words...
The comments Rump made in regards to the collision was insane...To say DEI had something to do with is beyond words...
As a subject of King Charles III, sbooker should appreciate John Oliver gloating about the USA returning to monarchy after 250 years, starting at 16:05 in this video of last week's Daily Show.
Check out the NY Post's article about yesterday's crash in Toronto -- it doesn't even try to make a connection between DEI and what happened to the plane. It's simply an opportunity for them to remind everyone that Delta is ignoring the current cultural rollback.
Delta Air Lines reaffirmed its commitment to DEI initiatives before Toronto crash: ‘Part of our focus’
“DEI is about talent, and that’s been our focus,” Delta Chief External Affairs Officer Peter Carter said on an earnings call last month.
nypost.com
Those two are masters in the art of perfect delivery aren't they? Genuinely funny guys.
What appears to be happening over there though is not funny. More sad and scary and, sorry, embarrassing. I understand most of the red hat wearing MAGA Neanderthals will never get it but I'm wondering if some more sane and normal Americans that voted for Trump are already thinking "Fuck, what have we done here"?
*As a much younger person I voted for a republic in the referendum of 1999. I would still do so.
1999 Australian republic referendum - Wikipedia
**Sorry to offend if I have. I really shouldn't give my opinion on American politics but it's pretty ugly to watch.
Make Australia Great Again!
For heaven’s sake.
For heaven’s sake.
Politely I say no to this.
When 50% of the country believes something, it has to be more complex, and it is. An EC majority is completely disillusioned with the establishment and government. 100% of us have responsibility for that.
Hard to know what you're referring to if you speak in code.
It's obviously complex. My comment (that I shouldn't have made) made it clear that I understood all Trump/Republican voters were not red hat wearing cultists that will support him regardless of his actions and believe anything that comes out of his mouth. There are obviously plenty of swing voters that went that way for what they think are good reasons. I'm wondering of any of the latter variety are second guessing themselves.
I don't know how to be any clearer.
50% of Americans feel that they have nothing to lose, if we deconstruct bureaucracy. They voted for it. It wasn't a secret.
We have all created that system, that America, together. We are all responsible.