Taos Snowboard Ban

mountainman":3f4feeq4 said:
hamdog-

Seeing you say you're an "expert lift rider" doesn't surprise me at all. Arn't all snowboarders expert? At least they can all get down the steepest terrain by sliding on their heel edge, so that makes them totally awesome, right?

The condescending arrogance. Wait, could it be? Yes, I do believe you come off like a punk-a$$ park ... , er, elitist two-planker.

Maybe you should try riding. It might lighten you up. Maybe a wipeout or three will dislodge that mighty chip residing on your shoulder.
 
Toas rocks - keep it as is.

Q. What is the difference between a vacuum cleaner and a snow board?
 
A: a vacuum cleaner sucks....and so does your spelling........
and "snow boards" do not! :roll: :shock: 8)

go ahead......
 
oh, so close...

Sorry, the answer we were looking for is "where the dirt bag is attached"....where the dirt bag is attached is the correct answer.

Skiers vs. Boarders is allot like jet skiers vs. boaters... competing for the same resources and all the while traffic is increasing. I hate places that only allow boats and not PWC's so I understand the frustration but boarders aren't nearly a limited as PWC's. Be thankful for that.

P.S. sorry for the fat finger - it is all in fun. Actually I am ambidextrious (sp?) with respect to things attached to my feet. But I am better with the sticks.
 
darnit! i thought i had it.

the thing is......being a "dirtbag" in this area is a compliment.
there's something called the dirtbag ball at big sky. i'm not exactly sure
what it entails, but it's a big dirty party and people represent being a
dirtbag i suppose. i take no offense. :lol: stay cool 8)
 
The real issue at Taos is not whether or not snowboards should be banned, but rather: Is Abe's Down the Road in Arroyo Seco Still Open? 8)
 
I haven't seen anyone raise the argument that "I just don't like snowboarders." Although I do have a few friends that snowboard, I couldn't care less if Taos decides to change their policy. Although I hate to generalize, the snowboard culture continues to propagate certain distinct character traits. The most notable is "the world owes me something..." My observations of snowboarders continue to reinforce my opinion that (on the whole) they have a general disregard for their fellow man AND the forces of nature (avalanche ignorance). Further, I can't tell you how many BC ski tracks that I have been on that have been postholed by ignorant snowboarders that refuse to cut their own boot pack...Then again, as I think of it, maybe it is better that they stick to the ski areas, like Taos;-))
 
Ahh... more stupid blanket stereotypes. The reality is these attitudes have been around long before snowboarding and will continue well after. And if you open your eyes for three seconds at any mountain you will find young skiers with the same "bad ass" attitude. P.S. Next time you see some snowboarder being stupid in the backcountry, offer some friendly advice. Maybe they will appreciate it. Everyone has to learn somewhere, unless you skiers are magically born with expert backcountry knowledge. :roll:
 
Since I was just on a press trip to Taos and recalled this lengthy thread, I felt some obligation to FTO readers to ask Adrianna Blake pointed questions about the snowboard ban.

My opening to raise the issue came when she told us that Taos' market was 35% Texas drive-up and 25% local and other drive-up. I would have presumed that Taos was mostly fly-in destination visitors, most of whom vociferously support the ban.

Adrianna said that rumors of Ernie Blake mandating the ban on his deathbed, or any other reason for entrenched Blake family stubbornness, are absolutely untrue.

She personally agreed with both of my points expressed early in this thread:
1) There is a fairness issue to experts because Taos has so much more steep terrain than the rest of New Mexico's ski areas combined.
2) If the ban were lifted, she thinks there would be a temporary surge in snowboarders, but the only recurring visits would be from the ones who can handle the terrain.

Adrianna did mention the traffic funneling issue on those two trails (Rubezahl and Whitefeather) that everyone has to take to the bottom of the hill. This is also the reason Taos will never build high speed lifts in her opinion. She also believes Taos benefits from the free publicity of the "Free Taos" stickers and billboards.

But she said the bottom line was economics, and that they do study their market closely. Texas (and Dallas metro area in particular) is the key market in terms of $, and most of the kids that snowboard in Texas families also ski, and are willing to ski when they go to Taos.

Adrianna said that if the kids/families in Dallas started to favor snowboarding anything like we see in L.A., Taos would lift the ban in a minute.
 

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Let them ride!
I Ski and Ride and to think that this is still even a question for a resort to ban snowboarding just blows my mind.
 
O.k..Im not really Bill Richardson...but I think he snowboards?
First of, I'd like to send out a big F.U. to everyone who thinks this or that about me and my friends who snowboard. Some real "Dirtbags"!
Im not gonna sit here and spit out some educated BS about why boarders are no different than skiers...We are for the most part...better lovers and thats the real reason most skiers in Taos just dont want us there. Snowboarding is so closely related to surfing and thats gotta piss skiers off too, cuz how are you gonna ski on a wave? I heard some fool say that snowboarders would negatively affect the snowpack??? WTF? I think that argument is as bad as anything Bush would come up with...Along with the majority of all the other ones...Wait all of em. If Kachina peak could talk she would cry out for some snowboarders to grace her curvatures...She'd be all.."get these Texans off me"..."all they do is follow the signs"..."No fun!"
I bet some kick arse riders would really do Taos wonders...Like Gretchen Bleiler or Travis Parker...(from texas). If boarders...WHEN boarders get to ride Taos sure some Ski-gods will cry...but then that'll mean more snow! I didnt say "SNOW GODS"...Their all way to pissed off to leave a post here.In fact I bet the year Taos allows snowboarding there will be a shit-ton of powder. It'll be Jah's way of thanking everyone for simply getting along.
All jokes aside...Taos is for everyone. So throw the bitterness away, its baggage weighing you down on all that fluffy stuff.
 

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Snowboarder generally get a bad reputatuion because of the "East Coast" experience. East Coast and West Coast skiing are different experiences from many levels, but one is the confined spaces in which East Coast skiers operate and the "blind spots" inherent to the snowboarding stance. More than once (or ten times) have I almost been taken-out by a snowboarder on the East Coast. I think that another factor is the East Coast demographics (young reckless Marlboro smoking punk) of the lift-served snowboarder and the fact the conditions in the East Coast are not always condusive to snowboarding. I am not a snowboarder, never tried it, but the chatter of snowboard edges on East Coast boilerplate says it all for me, not to mention the impact and side-slipping boarder has on ski conditions. I've given up my tele skis on boilerplate for the same reason. Ironically, the only East Coast ski area that restricts snowboards is MRG. There are many more out West were there are much safer conditions for riding.
 
I've always been puzzled by the above point. I first saw a snowboard at Mt. Bachelor in 1985. Snowboards have a natural advantage in Sierra Cement/Cascade Concrete. The Kottke report says snowboard visits in the Pacific States are 40%, vs. 33% nationally and 25% in the Rockies.

But anybody who has tried or watched beginners knows that hard snow is the bane of snowboarding. My less-than-coordinated son Andrew progressed very well his first day because it was during a full-on blizzard at Mammoth that made his turns easier and his mistakes much less painful.

So why do people want to snowboard on typical eastern hardpack trails? My guess is that the initial push came from Jake Burton being headquartered in Vermont. Then the terrain parks served as an equalizer for areas with less than exciting natural terrain, as at Big Bear.

In SoCal it was defintely the crossover from surfing and skateboarding.
 
Tony Crocker":3ia5mtk9 said:
So why do people want to snowboard on typical eastern hardpack trails?
That is a question for Hamdog. My guess the same logic could apply to skiing. Carvers, regardless on what they carve, fell at ease with the hardpack.
 
Maybe Patrick is coordinated enough to always hold on hardpack with 100% of his weight on one edge, and never have to adjust/make a recovery with aid from the other ski. Many of us lesser mortals are not, and on a board you're not going to have the chance to make that recovery, and the result will be painful.
 
Do both, enjoy both for what they have to offer.
It would be funny, to see a "big" ski area to go snowboarding only. LOL
 
I'm a skier, always will be and have no desire to board at all. I feel that I enjoy my skiing more now that I have got to a certain level and don't think I could handle going back to learn a new sport. That said I ski with boarders and love nothing more than sharing a lift, bar or piste with a boarder.

I've skied at a lot of resorts in the USA and at all 3 skier only resorts out west. Deer Valley and Taos were heavily geared in my opinion towards ski school and there seemed to be hundreds of instructors at each with a handful of pupils. This is not the same at most other resorts with the exception of the Aspen areas. That must generate a huge amount of income for both resorts and throughout my travels I have noticed a trend that snowboarders do not seem so keen to pay for lessons. I dont either but just an observation and clearly a generalisation....

Would Taos/Deer Valley gain that much in income by allowing boarders in than by not? Again, in general, your average boarder spends less in the bar/cafe/retail than skiers. If 1000 boarders go to Taos, would 1000 skiers stop going? I would'nt, some might.....

Of all the 3 I am talking about IMO the one that would probably notice the bigger effect would be Alta which would probably see a rapid increase on visitors.

I'd personally not mind seeing boarders on any slopes but biggest conflicts I see are all down to people skiing or boarding in slopes that are outwith their abilities. Any business banning anyone is answerable to investors and if they are not complaining then so be it.

EDIT:- I'd recommend making The Canyons a boarders only resort as I have no plans to ever go back. Worst resort in North America I have been to so far :D
 
to make a long story short it's simply the sensation and gratification recieved is why some choose to slide sideways on one board and others need two planks pointing in the same direction we walk. whether it's the freedom, the expression, lifestyle, or countless other reasons it's just fun. what else do you need? yes, even on hardpack most of the time. one of my favorite runs at big sky was that elk park run.... just a long wide open cruiser where you could pretty much go as fast as you wanted to. to me, i'd rather that be fresh courduroy than ride chunk off the tram.
 
My son Adam dabbled in snowboarding ~5 days a season from ages 12-16. He said carving the corduroy was what he liked better on a board than on skis.
 
I don't have too many issues with boarders.

My biggest gripe is the majority's inability to commit to the fall line on steep terrain - especially confined terrain like chutes, couloirs, etc.

In the Far West, the snow is plentiful and has a lot of moisture -- so most terrain can withstand the 1.5 foot scrape of a board.

However, boarders just decimate the terrain in Rockies. Places like Snowbird, Taos, Telluride, Aspen Highlands, etc....can barely withstand the onslaught on their steeper terrain.

The only saving grace is boarders inability to traverse - both to good terrain and out of holes. Karma is lapping boarders on traverses/runouts/etc after they silly destroyed a perfectly good hill.
 
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