TR Crested Butte, Telluride

Admin":2swspm04 said:
Tony Crocker":2swspm04 said:
Tip rocker works nearly everywhere. Tail rocker is a key assist in powder but more difficult to hold a carve on the groomed.
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Tip/tail rocker has zero effect on the ability to hold a carved turn on groomed snow, so long as the ski still has conventional camber underfoot. That just makes the ski behave like a shorter ski than it is, which is why I always advocate going longer than you think you'll need on a ski with early rise. It's reverse camber that's difficult to ski on groomed, and very few current skis are a true reverse camber design anymore.
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+1 agreed. Maybe you get the tails flapping around a little but I don't think it effects the skiing.

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I never said you can't carve on this ski or ski powder on that one. I have little doubt that Patrick could beat me handily on a race course on 40-year-old skis and ski them fluidly in powder too. As for me, I'm usually inclined to choose the most appropriate technology for the job at hand. Given GPaul's geography disadvantage, he should have the same attitude toward equipment on his ski trips: choose whatever will make the task easiest for the day's conditions.
 
"On a more constructive note, you should about renting full time on your western trips a ski with tip rocker and 90+mm width underfoot. Ski technology has evolved to the point that you can rip your LSG's to your heart's content on those skis, yet they will also make life far easier on you in a wide range of ungroomed snow conditions. And I expect the Utards will chime in, "No, you should really go over 100mm underfoot!" This does not change the advice to rent a wide soft ski with both tip and tail rocker for your powder lesson or any snowy day with say 6+ inches new." Rocket science guys. In layman's speak, what should I ask for? We both use 150's, me for ease, my son so he won't go flying off!


those who heed the advice like johnnash in 2012.[/quote] Y'all scolded me for not heeding, what did this 4.0 teacher's pet get?
 
jamesdeluxe":ogsizy1f said:
If you're that annoyed by his crimes against humanity, don't respond.
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To his credit, gpaulski seems to greatly enjoy all of his trips, advice taken or not. Now what would be incredibly annoying and a crime against net forums would be to seek advice, ignore it and do what you originally planned anyway, then come back with a TR complaining about lousy conditions. At least that's not the case with gpaulski.
 
gpaulski":h7g36odi said:
Rocket science guys. In layman's speak, what should I ask for? We both use 150's, me for ease,
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Well for starters, a stable platform helps tremendously; unless you're 4' tall, that's not going to be a 150cm ski.
 
Tony Crocker":39e4gf9d said:
I never said you can't carve on this ski or ski powder on that one.
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You're right, you didn't. In fact I quoted exactly what you said:

Tony Crocker":39e4gf9d said:
Tip rocker works nearly everywhere. Tail rocker is a key assist in powder but more difficult to hold a carve on the groomed.
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And that statement is patently false.

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Now, now folks, just stick to what we should rent for powder.

How about FAT skis that are good for powder and groomers, would the renal shop understand that...??
 
gpaulski":1a9dxn5m said:
How about FAT skis that are good for powder and groomers, would the renal shop understand that...??
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Rossignol S7/Super 7.

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I respectfully disagree. Admin is advising himself, not GPaul. Admin is fine on an oversize ski with groomer carving on the middle 2/3 of it. The oversize will be too much when GPaul is learning powder from scratch. The shorter carving surface requires centering one's weight more precisely. Some people forget what it was like learning to ski. Admin and Patrick learned as kids. Adam has no memory of NOT skiing parallel. I have been through some of this with Liz, who is likely a better overall skier than GPaul but also with limited powder experience. The tip and tail rocker is very helpful in learning. A lot of extra length is not, especially in the trees. Brad Karafil at White Grizzly, where it's all steep trees, put me on very wide White Dot Preachers (155mm tip, 115mm underfoot) at 170cm length.

With current ski technology intermediates should be on a versatile and forgiving ski. GPaul has zero powder experience and the odds are he's only going to see any of it 15-20% of the trip, so the "daily driver" should be primarily for the LSG's he likes. He's probably used to skiing them on something 70-80mm underfoot, so I say it's progress and evolution to push that up to the 90-100mm range with tip but not tail rocker. With some softer snow off trail he'll see how much easier it is, yet the groomer skiing should be transparent without him modifying how he skis them. With a true flotation powder day of 1+ foot, THEN rent the softest most rockered tip and tail ski he can find and take a lesson.
 
I'd like to see a video of Liz. Then we can compare skills, and only skills, 'cause anybody skies prettier than me \:D/

Tony, I'm renting 153-5 length, 95-100 width, and telling the shop that Tony said to do that, that'll make 'em honest.

Gracias all, will advise as we near ETD.

Un abrazo!

PS seriously thinking of ditching Vegas, think my son is too young to enjoy and absorb...
 
gpaulski":qhkijfjo said:
I'm renting 153-5 length, 95-100 width
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I'm far from an expert in this area, but to follow up on Marc C's earlier point, you'll need much longer fat skis unless you enjoy going over the handlebars a lot. What is your height/weight?
 
gpaulski":1d1zz5rs said:
5.6, 175 (s/b 150)
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I admittedly haven't seen you ski but 155cm is almost assuredly too short unless you're a rank novice. And with the minor exception due to leverage, the ski can't tell how tall you are, only what you weigh.

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Liz is 5'5" and 135 and on the "daily driver" she's in the low 160's and on the powder ski upper 160's. So, this time I agree 100% with admin, 155cm is way too short. My best guess for GPaul is high 160's or low 170's.

My observation is that most shaped skis are quite sensitive to being the right length, unstable if too short and more effort to turn if too long. The first question to ask is what GPaul has been comfortable on in the past. With some tip rocker/early rise, I'd add 5cm to that as a starting point. If it's too long or too short, chances are you'll know pretty soon.

I'm a bit puzzled where GPaul even got the idea he should be on 155's. LSG's put a premium on stability, so his past experience should have biased him to the long side.

Also, are you really renting skis in the DR and hauling them by air to Vegas? I hope you're a premium airline customer and not paying bag fees. At any rate I would suggest a day rental at Brian Head, then checking around Salt Lake for something for the rest of the trip. Also if you rent at home and it turns out you don't like the ski, that's an expensive mistake. While in SLC you may get to try a few skis, then take the one you like best when you head north from there.

All of us can give abstract advice about skis, but what matters is what is most comfortable for YOU. Trying a few skis while in Utah at the start of the trip will give you the best answer to that question. If you find something you really like for 2 weeks, you might want to buy it, hopefully with at least some of the rental fees applied toward purchase price.
 
It is late and I may have missed something...

Just rent skis at the mountain. You will pay a bit more but you can change them out if what you picked isn't working for you.
 
The reason for 150 is turning ease, just can't do much with lengthier planks. Will definitely try longer this trip, maybe finally moving into better skiing!

Gracias all.

BTW, not hauling, ever, from DR. We rent where we ski. But like last year we'll try to buy used for better price than rentals (18 days).
 
The comments on this page make it quite clear that you should be trying several skis before you buy, even used. Your schedule puts you in Salt Lake at the start of the trip where I'm sure the FTO locals can steer you to good shops. My ex-wife Becky did exactly this on a President's weekend trip to Utah after she had been off skis for a decade. After a few days of demo, she bought the demo ski liked best. This, by the way, was a K2 Lotta Luv at 167cm, further underlining that 150-155 is not appropriate for you.
gpaulski":1wjam7vx said:
The reason for 150 is turning ease, just can't do much with lengthier planks.
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Sidecut and early rise both ease turn initiation. I still have hard time understanding how you're getting much stability on LSG's on a ski that short. It's better for your development to be skiing long fast turns on Snowmass-type groomers than zigzagging back and forth on steep ones because your skis have a low speed limit. It might be worth taking a lesson right away and getting input from an instructor about an appropriate ski.

I also disagree with renting at the ski areas if you're staying in Salt Lake. Doing this at a ski area during the holidays is asking for an unnecessary wait in line, limited selection if you're not there super early and a slow start to your ski day. You have more time in the late afternoon and evening the previous day, and if the shop you try first doesn't have what you want, you move on to another one. Before all the locals chime in about how great and convenient Alta's demo shop is, IMHO that is probably more the exception than the rule, and even there I suggest getting there real early, before the lifts open during the holidays.
 
Gracias Tony, we NEVER rent at ski areas, always at shops, and they are always very accomodating because of many days.

Yes, we are keen on moving up our level, and lesson are the only way.

Someone mentioned Pebble in Idaho, just off Pocatello, been there? Looking at it for break between slc and targhee.
 
If you rent at Deep Powder House in the Valley they also own the same and the Motherlode at Alta so you get the best of both worlds.

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