American Election 2024

Harvey said:
Which is his most serious crime?
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  • Three gun charges related to his purchase of a Colt Cobra revolver handgun in October 2018, two months after a stint in rehab, including lying that he was not a drug user on the federal application form he filled out to buy the weapon. They each carry a maximum penalty of 10 years in prison. A count relating to firearm possession while using narcotics carries a maximum prison sentence of five years.
  • Three felonies and six misdemeanors based on a failure to file and pay $1.4 million in taxes on more than $7 million in total gross income between 2016 and 2020, a false tax return, and evasion of assessment. The nine-count indictment also details a lavish spending spree including drugs and escorts over the same period. These crimes carry a maximum penalty of 17 years in prison.
It's painful to admit when MAGA world is correct about something and the multi-year shielding of him by the administration and MSM certainly qualifies. Harv, was that a joke question?
 
Tony Crocker said:
James, Bill Clinton link won't load, even with javascript disabled.
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I retried the "gift article for non-subscribers" and it gave me this link again. If it still doesn't work, here's an excerpt to the Jan 21, 2001 Washington Post piece. As you can see, Clinton was a virtual template for what Trump did 20 years later.

Just two hours before surrendering the White House, President Clinton gave parting gifts that lifted 176 Americans out of legal trouble, granting pardons to figures from the Whitewater scandal, former Cabinet members, an ex-governor, onetime fugitive heiress Patricia Hearst Shaw, and his own brother, Roger Clinton.​
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The extraordinary list, eclipsing in magnitude and scope the last-minute legal forgiveness dispensed by previous presidents, includes Susan McDougal, who was convicted of bank fraud in the Whitewater case, then went to prison for refusing to say whether Clinton had testified truthfully at her trial. Clinton pardoned his former secretary of housing and urban development, Henry Cisneros, who pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about how much money he had given a former mistress. The mistress, political fundraiser Linda Jones, yesterday was granted a pardon, too.​
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Other beneficiaries of Clinton's generosity include an international financier and indicted fugitive, Marc Rich; a leftist radical convicted of conspiring to bomb the U.S. Capitol; a woman who illegally gave an eagle feather to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.); and an array of drug offenders serving long prison terms under mandatory sentencing laws. In a rare move, Clinton also pardoned two former government officials who have not even been convicted: ex-Arizona governor J. Fife Symington III, who was facing a retrial on charges of real estate fraud, and John Deutch, who was in the midst of negotiating a plea agreement with the Justice Department over security violations while he directed the CIA.​
 
jamesdeluxe said:
Harv, was that a joke question?
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No joke. I'd heard that the tax stuff, many wouldn't get jail time for those crimes, if they paid the money owed. (I think he did that.)

I knew the gun charges were more serious. I agree he should get what anyone else would get, without pardon.
 
From AP today:
Hunter Biden will now face sentencing in both cases. He faces up to 25 years at his Nov. 13 sentencing hearing in Delaware, though as a first-time offender he would likely receive a lesser sentence. He faces up to 17 years and a fine of up to $1.3 million on the tax charges at a scheduled Dec. 16 sentencing.

A spokesperson for Joe Biden reiterated when asked Thursday that the president had no plans to pardon his son or commute his eventual sentence. ___
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I knew the gun charges were more serious. I agree he should get what anyone else would get, without pardon.
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My impression is that the gun charges were more of a technicality. It was a handgun and never used. I've even read that those charges would rarely be filed for some one with no criminal background but that this case had too high public visibility. $1.4 million in tax fraud is a much bigger deal.
 
Yikes, if we're veering off topic again let's note that (from memory) his SO thought in the x% chance he was suicidal it was best to wait for him to fall asleep, then proceed to take it and throw it in a dumpster, no kidding. At least Jared and Ivanka didn't do that LOL.

On the broader notion of pardons, the most famous of course was the pardoning of Nixon. I know it's just me, but the kidnapping of Martha Mitchell seems kinda like what Rudy, Lev, and Igor were planning to do to Ukraine Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch. Short version is, Mitchell was the first person to know that any of the Watergate Plumbers were associated with Nixon cuz one of them had been the kids' bodyguard, and yes they really did kidnap her.

Back to the present, if Dick Cheney's announcement he's voting for Kamala opens the floodgates, we shall flashback to Goldwater telling Nixon he had to resign.
 
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The law protects the people. Addicts run out of money, so they steal. Worse, the despair of addiction places the unsafety of SOs and children on a sliding scale that goes astronomical if the addict is suicidal.

Kamala Harris For The People said:
As a prosecutor, when I had a case, I charged it not in the name of the victim, but in the name of the people, for a simple reason. In our system of justice, a harm against any one of us is a harm against all of us. And I would often explain this to console survivors of crime, to remind them: No one should be made to fight alone. We are all in this together.

And every day, in the courtroom, I stood proudly before a judge and I said five words: Kamala Harris, for the people. And to be clear — and to be clear, my entire career, I’ve only had one client: the people.
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Tony Crocker said:
My impression is that the gun charges were more of a technicality. It was a handgun and never used. I've even read that those charges would rarely be filed for some one with no criminal background but that this case had too high public visibility. $1.4 million in tax fraud is a much bigger deal.
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Makes sense. I had it backwards.
 
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Donald Trump, if he is reelected, will be far more dangerous than we have ever seen before.

He has told us he believes you can terminate the Constitution. He’s gone to war with the rule of law. He repeatedly suggests that the people who assaulted and attacked the Capitol should be celebrated. He has said he will ignore the rulings of the courts. He won’t leave office.

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Serious question. How is $25 “or more” going to change the outcome of the election? Even if a 10 million people donate how does $250 million change people’s minds? By advertising?
I don’t think so…….
 
I'm skeptical that either candidate needs more money for advertising. But get out the vote matters and that costs money.
 
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