Mt. Waterman and Snowcrest/Kratka Ridge

Probably will get something going soon. Matt said Lynn has the 2002 # and wants like $2K for it.

I will probably be out of there soon, going back to Newcomb's was a huge mistake. The Ranch has gone from being the best place I ever worked to the worst. The manager has no clue as to the restaurant business and her only qualification is she is the new owners mistress.

Unfortunatly, as we get older it seems to get harder to find good jobs.
 
Tom Moriarty":1y1qfbqw said:
Probably will get something going soon. Matt said Lynn has the 2002 # and wants like $2K for it.

I will probably be out of there soon, going back to Newcomb's was a huge mistake. The Ranch has gone from being the best place I ever worked to the worst. The manager has no clue as to the restaurant business and her only qualification is she is the new owners mistress.

Unfortunatly, as we get older it seems to get harder to find good jobs.
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if you knew how much $ she made to screw things up, you'd be sick. :roll: ..or maybe you do..

the ranch still has its moments, but they are very few and far between.. :cry:
 
Oh! I know how much she makes, but we all know what her real job is.
It is the worst run and worst managed restaurant I have ever seen. Lynn warned me about that going in but I have this love for the building (or did). I got into a huge fight with the doctor about the situation there last night, but he defends her to the death. Even his own son tried to tell him what a joke she is there and he backed her up over him which is sick.

Not good people! Hopefully Rick Metcalf will be able to put in the restaurant he envisions at Kratka.
 
tom are you looking for a new job? how many times do we go up the hill to work jest to go back down? it is like grabing a handle on a hot frying pan do we ever learn not to? :lol: dont get me wrong i stell love the mountain you know what i mean. russell.
 
Big Tim":x898iy0r said:
Thought I was logged in on the above post............. Rookie
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They are planning on trying to open this year. They have rennovated the buildings, new patrol room, very nice. I have been there to move things around in the patrol room. Don't forget Waterman. It may happen this season. Rain is coming up this first part of January, down here in L.A. There is only one day of rain/snow mix, the rest snow for the next few days of snow in Big Bear, CA! Mammoth hopefully will get hit with the predicted storm later this week, of first week Jan., 2008. I can get to Tahoe end of January 2008 and hope for some good coverage then. Carol
 
Optimistic, eh? My perception as a follower of NWS-LA/SD discussions for four years now is when the offices err on snow level, it's warmer than predicted. I'm talking about the sticking, accumulating stuff

Thursday:
Mostly cloudy with a chance of rain. Snow level above 7000 feet.
Highs in the 50s to lower 60s at low elevations to the 40s to lower 50s at higher elevations.

Thursday night:
Mostly cloudy with rain becoming likely. Snow level above 7000 feet.
Lows in the 40s at low elevations to the upper 20s and 30s in high valleys and peaks.

Friday:
Rain. Snow level above 7000 feet. Heavy snow accumulations possible at the highest elevations.
Highs in the 50s at low elevations to the mid and upper 30s at higher elevations.

Friday night and Saturday:
Rain. Heavy at times. Snow level above 7000 feet.

Saturday night:
Rain or snow likely.
Lows in the mid 30s to mid 40s at low elevations to the 20s in high valleys and peaks.

Sunday:
Mostly cloudy with rain or snow likely.
Highs in the 40s to lower 50s at low elevations to near 30 at higher elevations.

Sunday night:
Mostly cloudy with a chance of snow and rain.
Lows in the 30s at low elevations to 16 to 26 in high valleys and peaks.

Monday:
Mostly cloudy with a chance of snow and rain.
Highs in the 40s to lower 50s at low elevations to the upper 20s to mid 30s at higher elevations.
 
I was going to post that. Snowforecast tends to be on the conservative side, so when a storm really comes through, it can look pretty silly and overly cautious. But I think it tends to be right a lot, too, and realistic about snow levels and post-frontal accumulations.
 
Tony, if snow levels were lower, say, around 7500 feet, would you pretty much recommend Baldy if it got like 3 feet of slop with a 6-12" topping of decent powder? I figure you could do laps up and down Thunder without really caring that the parking lot runs were closed.
 
I tend to be a bit cautious about Baldy when it's first getting started. Better to let the first storm build the base, let them round up staff, get things open (which might take awhile) and maybe even get an eyewitness report or two.

Some people also say that Baldy's snow report tends to be what falls at the top of Thunder 8,600, when we need to know what falls at the base of Thunder 7,600. Those numbers rate to be substantially different from the upcoming storm.

My friend Garry Klassen lives 20 minutes from Baldy and usually lets me know what's happening. But I will be on a NASJA trip leaving Jan. 8 returning Jan. 13.
 
Waterman, being the most northern of the SoCal resorts always use to be pretty good about getting snow out of these borderline storms. Most of the weather reports including SnowForcast are for Wrightwood and Big Bear. I can remember getting 6 foot drops out of these storms while Big Bear got a foot and Mt. High maybe 2-3 ft. But global warming is having an effect and the storms the past few years can only be measured in inches and a lot more rainfall.

Hopefully we will see a couple of feet this weekend and the new owners will be able to open it up and get their feet wet in the ski business (but I'm not holding my breath on that wish).
 
Waterman and Kratka do get the most precipitation, particularly from the bigger storm systems. But Baldy is only 10-20% less on average, and may do better with its extra 600 feet higher elevation with fluctuating snow levels.
 
As I expected everyone in SoCal was closed Saturday after rain Friday night. The good news is that storm did not last as long as predicted, and there was maybe 3 inches snow mixed in, perhaps 7 at the top of Thunder at Baldy.

Next storm should be all snow, though probably not enough for steep runs at Baldy or the lower face at Waterman. I do wonder if Waterman might try to run the two upper chairs by next weekend.
 
snow level under 5k.
were getting the storm that was in mammoth yesterday.

hope they can get the road open so they can dig out the chair.

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Just came down and snowing with white out conditions all the way to Palmdale. MW got around a foot last night and we had about 4-5 inches at Newcomb's today so far ( I left about 8:30pm). Angeles Crest is open, but the Angeles Forest and Upper Big T were closed which meant I had to go around the signs to get home. LA County is closing the roads with the least little bit of ice on them now instead of putting up chain control which is real inconvienent. Anyway I'm sure Waterman will be evaluated after the storm and open soon.
 
Tom Moriarty":3o419ejv said:
Just came down and snowing with white out conditions all the way to Palmdale. MW got around a foot last night and we had about 4-5 inches at Newcomb's today so far ( I left about 8:30pm). Angeles Crest is open, but the Angeles Forest and Upper Big T were closed which meant I had to go around the signs to get home. LA County is closing the roads with the least little bit of ice on them now instead of putting up chain control which is real inconvienent. Anyway I'm sure Waterman will be evaluated after the storm and open soon.
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The Forest Hwy is almost entirely a commuter route... with the amount of traffic and type of use by vehicles.. it's a shortcut.. there are other ways around to get to LA, which is where almost everyone is trying to get to.. so it's not an essential road to get to a town in the mtns.

Also, the people that use it are not your typical mountain drivers..Like a road up to Big Bear, or other mountain areas..If you travel this road at any frequency, you know these people are complete idiots in good weather... so imagine how they'd drive in the snow (I can answer that for you as I was going over Mill Creek Summit at 6 PM last night an no one had chains, people were in ditches all over the place... and others were still driving 50 mph on snowpacked roads with 50 ft visability). The main storm had only started about 30 minutes earlier, so they hadn't closed the road yet..

That's why they close it instead of dealing with the chaos that would ensue if they attempted to do chain control. I generally think its a good idea for 90+% of the people that drive on it. (btw, I live right in the middle of the Forest Hwy ).
 
Angeles Forest Highway is my Friday night to Mammoth method of avoiding rush hour. Yes, those Palmdale commuters do drive fast.
 
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